URECAT - UFO Related Entities Catalog

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OCTOBER 5, 1954, ROVERBELLA, MANTOVA ITALY, A FISHERMAN:

BRIEF SUMMARY OF EVENT AND FOLLOW-UP:

Apparently, an unspecified Italian newspaper reported that in the night of October 5, 1954, a fisherman of Robervella, in the Province of Mantova, was approached by "a mysterious individual" of human appearance, dressed in red, who talked to him in a language which was incomprehensible for the fisherman, and went away.

In many ufology summaries, including one supposedly devoted to UFO landing cases, the mysterious individual of human appearance became a "being" or a "humanoid."

BASIC INFORMATION SUMMARY:

Case number:
URECAT-000179
Date of event:
October 5, 1954
Earliest report of event:
Not known.
Delay of report:
2 days.
Witness reported via:
Not known.
First alleged record by:
Newspaper.
First certain record by:
Ufology Book by Jimmy Guieu.
First alleged record type:
Newspaper.
First certain record type:
Ufology book.
This file created on:
May 20, 2007
This file last updated on:
May 20, 2007
Country of event:
Italy
State/Department:

Type of location:
Not reported.
Lighting conditions:
Not reported.
UFO observed:
No
UFO arrival observed:
No
UFO departure observed:
No
UFO/Entity Relation:
None
Witnesses numbers:
1
Witnesses ages:
Not reported.
Witnesses types:
Fisherman.
Photograph(s):
No.
Witnesses drawing:
No.
Witnesses-approved drawing:
No.

Number of entities:
1
Type of entities:
Human.
Entities height:
Not reported.
Entities outfit type:
Outfit.
Entities outfit color:
Red.
Entities skin color:
Not reported.
Entities body:
Not reported.
Entities head:
Not reported.
Entities eyes:
Not reported.
Entities mouth:
Not reported.
Entities nose:
Not reported.
Entities feet:
Not reported.
Entities arms:
Not reported.
Entities fingers:
Not reported.
Entities fingers number:
Not reported.
Entities hair:
Not reported.
Entities voice:
Spoke an unknown language.
Entities actions:
Spoke an unknown language to witness.
Entities/witness interactions:
Spoke an unknown language to witness.
Witness(es) reactions:
Not reported.
Witness(es) feelings:
Not reported.
Witness(es) interpretation:
Not reported.
Explanation category:
No UFO, not a RR3. Insufficient information.
Explanation certainty:
Certain.

NARRATIVES:

[Ref. jg1:] JIMMY GUIEU:

Jimmy Guieu indicates that in the course of the night of October 5, 1954, an Italian fisherman of Robervella, in the Province of Mantove, was approached by "a mysterious individual" of human appearance, dressed of red and who talked to him in a language which was incomprehensible for the fisherman.

This unknown left even before the fisherman had time to call his wife.

[Ref. jv1:] JACQUES VALLEE:

In his catalogue of UFO landings, Jacques Vallée indicates that on October 5, 1954, in Roverbello, Italy, a fisherman met with a red-clad being who spoke an unknown language, and there are no details.

Vallée indicates that his source is "Quincy."

[Ref. cu1:] C.U.N.:

Among other cases described as having insufficient data, the CUN noted that on October 15, 1954, at night in Roverbella, a humanoid dressed in red said unintelligible words to a fisherman.

[Ref. dj1:] DONALD JOHNSON:

This ufologist indicates that on October 5, 1954, in Roverbello, Italy, a red clad being who spoke an unknown language approached a fisherman and quickly left when the witness called to his wife.

The source is indicated as a newspaper for October 7, 1954 and Jacques Vallee's, Passport to Magonia, page 218.

[Ref. rr1:] RR0:

A chronology for 1954 indicates that on Tuesday October 5, 1954 in Roverbello in Italy, a fisherman met a being dressed in red who spoke an unknown language.

The source is indicated as "Quincy."

[Ref. ar1:] ALBERT ROSALES:

Albert Rosales indicates in his catalogue that in Roverbella, Italy, on October 5, 1954 at night, a fisherman of Roverbella declared he was approached last night by a mysterious individual dressed in red, who addressed to him some unintelligible words and then rapidly moved off, before the fisherman had time to call his wife.

Albert Rosales indicates that the source is Jacques Vallee.

POINTS TO CONSIDER:

This case reaches heights as unusable alleged CE3 report.

The newspaper reporting back the story is not indicated. The witness is not named. It is a single witness. No investigation appears to have been carried out. Nothing that can be called a UFO is reported. A language not understood by the witness is not far from being presented as an unknown language per se, therefore extraterrestrial. Roverbella becomes Roverbello. What was initially a man in red becomes from one ufological version to the other not a man anymore but a "being" or a "humanoid."

LIST OF ISSUES:

Id Topic Severity Date noted Raised by Noted by Description Proposal Status
1 Data Severe May 20, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Insufficient information. No primary source referenced or available. Help needed. Opened.
2 Data Severe May 20, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross Quincy catalogue non available. Help needed. Opened.
3 Ufology Severe May 20, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross No UFO reported. Help needed. Opened.
4 Ufology Severe May 20, 2007 Patrick Gross Patrick Gross From the insufficient description of the entity, it could have been a normal human being speaking a foreign tongue. Help needed. Opened.

Id	Topic	Severity	Date noted	Raised by	Noted by	Description	Proposal	Status
1	Data	Severe	May 20, 2007	Patrick Gross	Patrick Gross	Insufficient information. No primary source referenced or available.	Help needed.	Opened.
2	Data	Severe	May 20, 2007	Patrick Gross	Patrick Gross	Quincy catalogue non available.	Help needed.	Opened.
3	Ufology	Severe	May 20, 2007	Patrick Gross	Patrick Gross	No UFO reported.	Help needed.	Opened.
4	Ufology	Severe	May 20, 2007	Patrick Gross	Patrick Gross	From the insufficient description of the entity, it could have been a normal human being speaking a foreign tongue.	Help needed.	Opened.

EVALUATION:

No UFO. No alien. Insufficient information.

BIBLIOGRAPHY AND REFERENCES:

* = Source I checked.
? = Source I am told about but could not check yet. Help appreciated.

[---] ? A newspaper, October 7, 1954.
[---] ? Catalogue ufologique par Guy Quincy, private file, unpublished, France.
[jg1] * "Black Out sur les Soucoupes Volantes", book by Jimmy Guieu, Fleuve Noir éditeur, France, 1956.
[jg1] * "Black Out sur les Soucoupes Volantes", book by Jimmy Guieu, Omnium Littéraire - Fleuve Noir éditeur, France, page 196, 1979.
[jv1] * "Passport to Magonia - On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds", book by Jacques Vallée, Contemporary Books publisher, USA, 1969.
[jv1] * "Chronique des Apparitions Extra-Terrestres", French translation of "Passport to Magonia", book by Jacques Vallée, Denoel publisher, France, 1972.
[cu1] * Web page of the Italian ufology group CUN, undated, at www.cun-italia.net/avvistamenti/mantova.htm
[fj1] * "Encounters with Aliens on this Day - October 5", page web compiled by Donald Johnson, at www.ufoinfo.com/onthisday/October05.html
[rr1] * "1954", page web compilée par Jérôme Beau, circa 2003, à www.rr0.org/data/1954/10/index.html
[ar1] * "1954 Humanoid Sightings", compiled by Albert Rosales, circa 2001, at www.ufoinfo.com/humanoid/humanoid1954.shtml

DOCUMENT HISTORY:

Authoring

Main Author Patrick Gross
Contributors None
Reviewers None
Editor Patrick Gross

Main Author	Patrick Gross
Contributors	None
Reviewers	None
Editor	Patrick Gross

Document history

Version Created/Changed By Date Change Description
0.1 Patrick Gross May 20, 2007 Creation, [jg1], [jv1], [cu1], [dj1], [rr1], [ar1]
0.2 Patrick Gross May 20, 2007 First published

Version	Created/Changed By	Date	Change Description
0.1	Patrick Gross	May 20, 2007	Creation, [jg1], [jv1], [cu1], [dj1], [rr1], [ar1]
0.2	Patrick Gross	May 20, 2007	First published

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